![]() ![]() This whole thing cost like 400 bucks, 380 for the safe, steel was from a cut up trailer, lumber and door got from a demolition job, paid 20 bucks for high grade cable designed to wrap a blade when you cut it. This is because two years ago I built another secure storage place, which I will not describe here, and which nobody is finding without a scent dog smelling for gunpowder residue. At this point they could just roll the safe and have access to bottom in minutes, they’d be able to access what is inside at this point.Īt this point they’d find a single dollar bill. The cut out another wall, have sufficient access, cut a big enough slot they can get the plate steel out, get two strong men to lift it out, then they’d find that there is another longer chain bolted to bottom of safe and attaching this steel. But whatever, at this point they’ve got summit fever. So then they’d have to remove another wall, which would be easier then the first, but still a pain, especially since they would’ve already collapsed a small portion of ceiling upon themselves. You would have to cut the entire back off the safe to get it out, then you’d find I welded chain link hinges to two other plates, such that they aren’t stuck together, which makes cutting more difficult, but also so you can’t remove them without removing at least two full sides of the safe. Then would discover my thicker steel plate, also wrapped in landscape fabric, and not bolted to anything directly, so it’ll vibrate when you cut it and bind grinder blades. They would make a hole through the thin back metal easily. So, if burglar has done all this, and gets the safe accessible, they’ll finally have access to start cutting into it. However, this is a bearing point on the corner so if they cut there a ceiling girder will put pressure and bind the blade every time when you’re 80% into the cut. You could only take the safe with some portion of the wall still attached. So, only way to remove that bolt is from inside the safe of by removing the wall. After the the safe would move another inch before the bolt I have attaching it to wood framing got tight. They’d have to figure out what is going on, go in my basement, remove grid ceiling, track the wire down, then cut the wire. After which you’d be able to pull the safe out maybe an inch, but wouldn’t have access to sides or top without doing demolition. To get at my safe you could remove the door and door trim. I drilled two holes in the bottom, put a braided cable through it. I put landscape fencing on all sides which will wrap any blade that touches it. I don’t know, my safe is buried in a closet with a thick wood door, the only access is through the door. A thick wood closet door might be enough to save the contents of a safe in a fire, may be worthless.Īlso there is so much oversimplification in this comment I feel I have to apologize, but the very general steps are there. ![]() The issue comes if you insist on having it in master bed wic, and don’t do anything to protect it and it’s a got open access to flame. There is more to it, I’m oversimplifying a bit. If you want it on first or second floor try to find closet with a bearing wall or steel beam below, where a fire isn’t likely to draft. In practice, and where it becomes not so easy, is you’ve gotta be smart about this, you can’t just toss bricks in closets, you can consider drafts and where floor is likely to collapse. Stack enough of those around anything it’s pretty much fireproof, it’s basically what they did to the space shuttle. You can also buy fire bricks, they’re dirt cheap because they’re pretty much cooked dirt. If it’s in a closed closet with a wood door it might not even get too hot to touch. ![]() If you have a basement safe in the furthest corner of the basement room furthest from the stairway, it’ll probably stay pretty cool. It’s more of a building science question than a safe construction one. You can fireproof a safe pretty easily, or at least there is a place in most houses you can stick a safe where it will be marginally better protected during a fire. Salon: Gun control’s racist reality: The liberal argument against giving police more power NY Magazine: There Is No ‘Epidemic of Mass School Shootings’ The New York Times: The Assault Weapons Myth 538 on Americans misunderstanding gun violence and policy solutions The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights National African-American Gun Association This does not mean "classical liberal" or right-leaning libertarians. Those who would identify as Democrats, Progressives, Socialists, &c. "Liberal" here is "left-of-center", in US political terms. This is a place for liberal gun-owners who want to discuss gun ownership absent the "noise" of most right-leaning pro-gun forums. Gun ownership through a pro-gun liberal lens. ![]()
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